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		<title>Comment on CalBar Wants Solos to Go Down Fighting by adamdavidlong</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for posting about this as I was unaware of this. As a member of the California bar, I am saddened and dismayed that the bar would choose to place more burdens on recent graduates who have a tough enough time as it is. This is shockingly irresponsible on the part of the bar leadership and this task force. As you rightly note, I believe there is no evidence whatsoever that this kind of requirement will improve the employment prospects of new graduates. The task force appears to provide 0 evidence that this new requirement will benefit anyone other than the providers of this &quot;training&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting about this as I was unaware of this. As a member of the California bar, I am saddened and dismayed that the bar would choose to place more burdens on recent graduates who have a tough enough time as it is. This is shockingly irresponsible on the part of the bar leadership and this task force. As you rightly note, I believe there is no evidence whatsoever that this kind of requirement will improve the employment prospects of new graduates. The task force appears to provide 0 evidence that this new requirement will benefit anyone other than the providers of this &#8220;training&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on CalBar Wants Solos to Go Down Fighting by Nando</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember a couple of years ago when the then-president of the California state bar went off on &quot;legal education.&quot;  Now, that article is difficult to find - since the post has been removed from the state bar&#039;s site.  

Here is the post from Brian Leiter:

http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2010/05/preident-of-california-bar-calls-for-greater-accuracy-in-employment-data-for-lawyers.html

&quot;CA Bar President Howard Miller (whose son, by the way, is well-known crim law scholar and U of Arizona professor Marc Miller) writes in part:

There is notoriously unreliable self-reporting by law schools and their graduates of employment statistics. They are unreliable in only one direction, since the self-reporting by law schools of “employment” of graduates at graduation and then nine months after graduation are, together, a significant factor in the U.S. News rankings — which are obsessed over, despite denials, by law schools and their constituencies....

[W]e need to be transparent with potential lawyers about the cost and benefits of studying law. All law schools need to gather, verify and report, in consistent and specified ways, the employment record of their graduates, as well report on those who may have started, paid tuition, but never graduated. A good place to start is with our own California-accredited and registered law schools, over which the State Bar and the Committee of Bar Examiners have jurisdiction.

Perhaps it will become a national trend?  Let us hope so.&quot;

Maybe, the state of &quot;legal education&quot; - and the GLUT of California lawyers - has improved since that time, right?!?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a couple of years ago when the then-president of the California state bar went off on &#8220;legal education.&#8221;  Now, that article is difficult to find &#8211; since the post has been removed from the state bar&#8217;s site.  </p>
<p>Here is the post from Brian Leiter:</p>
<p><a href="http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2010/05/preident-of-california-bar-calls-for-greater-accuracy-in-employment-data-for-lawyers.html" rel="nofollow">http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2010/05/preident-of-california-bar-calls-for-greater-accuracy-in-employment-data-for-lawyers.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;CA Bar President Howard Miller (whose son, by the way, is well-known crim law scholar and U of Arizona professor Marc Miller) writes in part:</p>
<p>There is notoriously unreliable self-reporting by law schools and their graduates of employment statistics. They are unreliable in only one direction, since the self-reporting by law schools of “employment” of graduates at graduation and then nine months after graduation are, together, a significant factor in the U.S. News rankings — which are obsessed over, despite denials, by law schools and their constituencies&#8230;.</p>
<p>[W]e need to be transparent with potential lawyers about the cost and benefits of studying law. All law schools need to gather, verify and report, in consistent and specified ways, the employment record of their graduates, as well report on those who may have started, paid tuition, but never graduated. A good place to start is with our own California-accredited and registered law schools, over which the State Bar and the Committee of Bar Examiners have jurisdiction.</p>
<p>Perhaps it will become a national trend?  Let us hope so.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe, the state of &#8220;legal education&#8221; &#8211; and the GLUT of California lawyers &#8211; has improved since that time, right?!?!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Recommendations From Illinois Bar Association Report by CalBar Wants Solos to Go Down Fighting &#124; The Law School Tuition Bubble</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CalBar Wants Solos to Go Down Fighting &#124; The Law School Tuition Bubble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Legal Services&#8217; (Special Committee&#8217;s) Final Report and Recommendations, which I covered here. The Task Force [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Legal Services&#8217; (Special Committee&#8217;s) Final Report and Recommendations, which I covered here. The Task Force [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Human Capital Contracts by po8crg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think people&#039;s mental models of HCCs are a bit skewed in coming to them as a replacement for loans.  Seeing them as an alternative to a graduate tax changes the perspective a bit.

I wonder if the unpopularity of HCCs comes in part from them originating from a faction of libertarianism that was deeply hostile to the income tax and not prepared to explain the repayments as a form of supplemental income tax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people&#8217;s mental models of HCCs are a bit skewed in coming to them as a replacement for loans.  Seeing them as an alternative to a graduate tax changes the perspective a bit.</p>
<p>I wonder if the unpopularity of HCCs comes in part from them originating from a faction of libertarianism that was deeply hostile to the income tax and not prepared to explain the repayments as a form of supplemental income tax.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Possible Errors in NCBEX Data by Matt Leichter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Leichter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;NYU, under the leadership of President John Sexton, looks like a real estate developer in drag as a university.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And you wonder why I&#039;m a land-taxer. Also, can I get an $800,000 annual pension?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>NYU, under the leadership of President John Sexton, looks like a real estate developer in drag as a university.</p></blockquote>
<p>And you wonder why I&#8217;m a land-taxer. Also, can I get an $800,000 annual pension?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Possible Errors in NCBEX Data by lawmrh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt
You may want to check out this news item about NYU Law School&#039;s creation of multiple non profits to allegedly lavish perks on its profs.
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2013/06/nyu-channels-wall-street-new-documents-show-lavish-pay-perks-and-secret-deals/
- Mo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt<br />
You may want to check out this news item about NYU Law School&#8217;s creation of multiple non profits to allegedly lavish perks on its profs.<br />
<a href="http://wallstreetonparade.com/2013/06/nyu-channels-wall-street-new-documents-show-lavish-pay-perks-and-secret-deals/" rel="nofollow">http://wallstreetonparade.com/2013/06/nyu-channels-wall-street-new-documents-show-lavish-pay-perks-and-secret-deals/</a><br />
- Mo</p>
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		<title>Comment on Before You Start Saying Your State Is Better Than Mississippi… by Matt Leichter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Leichter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes state governments post different numbers than CareerOneStop, which is where the 150 number came from. It&#039;s not obviously wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes state governments post different numbers than CareerOneStop, which is where the 150 number came from. It&#8217;s not obviously wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Before You Start Saying Your State Is Better Than Mississippi… by thusbloggedanderson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting - that was my conclusion yesterday, too (tho I&#039;m *in* Miss. and didn&#039;t immediately think the number was wrong). It appears that Mississippi projects 165 lawyer jobs a year to 2018. Of course, our two law schools are graduating twice that many ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting &#8211; that was my conclusion yesterday, too (tho I&#8217;m *in* Miss. and didn&#8217;t immediately think the number was wrong). It appears that Mississippi projects 165 lawyer jobs a year to 2018. Of course, our two law schools are graduating twice that many &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Cost of Law School Does NOT Influence the Cost of Legal Services by Matt Leichter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Leichter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2013 01:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks lawmrh.

It says that 176,000 CalBar members are in active practice. That&#039;s *only* 15,000 above the ABA&#039;s estimate, which it got from state attorney rolls. Don&#039;t know why CalBar gets a higher number though. If you use the 176,000 figure, though, then California has 46.26 lawyers per 10,000 residents—barely beating out New Jersey as No. 5 in the country (excluding D.C.).

There&#039;s really no solution to the lawyer glut that doesn&#039;t sell out either recent (and not-so-recent) grads or potential new entrants. I have no idea whether limited practice licenses provide cheap, unbundled services or if they&#039;re just a swinging door for fraud.

I read about Tacoma&#039;s attempt to rebuild its law school after it moved to Seattle. Don&#039;t remember why I didn&#039;t write about it at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks lawmrh.</p>
<p>It says that 176,000 CalBar members are in active practice. That&#8217;s *only* 15,000 above the ABA&#8217;s estimate, which it got from state attorney rolls. Don&#8217;t know why CalBar gets a higher number though. If you use the 176,000 figure, though, then California has 46.26 lawyers per 10,000 residents—barely beating out New Jersey as No. 5 in the country (excluding D.C.).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s really no solution to the lawyer glut that doesn&#8217;t sell out either recent (and not-so-recent) grads or potential new entrants. I have no idea whether limited practice licenses provide cheap, unbundled services or if they&#8217;re just a swinging door for fraud.</p>
<p>I read about Tacoma&#8217;s attempt to rebuild its law school after it moved to Seattle. Don&#8217;t remember why I didn&#8217;t write about it at the time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Cost of Law School Does NOT Influence the Cost of Legal Services by lawmrh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lawmrh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 23:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to reference your post on &quot;Lawyers Per Capita Per State&quot; on my &quot;Irreverent Lawyer&quot; blog but was puzzled at the &#039;low&#039; number of lawyers in California, which historically &#039;enjoys&#039; the largest number of lawyers in the nation. 

At 159,824 and a per capita ratio of 42 per 10,000, it seemed way low. Lord knows there are a ton of lawyers in the Golden State and I would have bet good money that California was in the top 5 in per capita numbers. Granted, the qualifier is that your source data notes only &quot;active and resident&quot; lawyers as of 2012. However, a quick check with the Cal Bar&#039;s Website at http://www.calbar.ca.gov/AboutUs/StateBarOverview.aspx
confirms the overall number as of May 2013 is considerably larger --- at more than 242,000 strong.

Good work, though, Matt. The take-away, of course, is that there is a glut and the legal establishment continues to delude itself on solutions. Indeed, tantamount to sending arsonists to put out a fire, they are instead looking at problem-exacerbation.

The latest instance is a move afoot in California to copy what the State of Washington recently did, to wit, to license non-lawyers to practice law under a so-called &quot;Limited Practice License.&quot; http://www.calbarjournal.com/May2013/TopHeadlines/TH1.aspx

Of course, leave it to Washington State, as despite record declining law school enrollments, an oversupply of 200 plus ABA law schools, and new lawyers unable to find jobs, there&#039;s nonetheless a group of clueless Washingtonians hoping to resurrect a law school in Tacoma, WA --- as a branch of the University of Washington. 
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/05/25/2612035/group-hopes-to-bring-law-school.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to reference your post on &#8220;Lawyers Per Capita Per State&#8221; on my &#8220;Irreverent Lawyer&#8221; blog but was puzzled at the &#8216;low&#8217; number of lawyers in California, which historically &#8216;enjoys&#8217; the largest number of lawyers in the nation. </p>
<p>At 159,824 and a per capita ratio of 42 per 10,000, it seemed way low. Lord knows there are a ton of lawyers in the Golden State and I would have bet good money that California was in the top 5 in per capita numbers. Granted, the qualifier is that your source data notes only &#8220;active and resident&#8221; lawyers as of 2012. However, a quick check with the Cal Bar&#8217;s Website at <a href="http://www.calbar.ca.gov/AboutUs/StateBarOverview.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.calbar.ca.gov/AboutUs/StateBarOverview.aspx</a><br />
confirms the overall number as of May 2013 is considerably larger &#8212; at more than 242,000 strong.</p>
<p>Good work, though, Matt. The take-away, of course, is that there is a glut and the legal establishment continues to delude itself on solutions. Indeed, tantamount to sending arsonists to put out a fire, they are instead looking at problem-exacerbation.</p>
<p>The latest instance is a move afoot in California to copy what the State of Washington recently did, to wit, to license non-lawyers to practice law under a so-called &#8220;Limited Practice License.&#8221; <a href="http://www.calbarjournal.com/May2013/TopHeadlines/TH1.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.calbarjournal.com/May2013/TopHeadlines/TH1.aspx</a></p>
<p>Of course, leave it to Washington State, as despite record declining law school enrollments, an oversupply of 200 plus ABA law schools, and new lawyers unable to find jobs, there&#8217;s nonetheless a group of clueless Washingtonians hoping to resurrect a law school in Tacoma, WA &#8212; as a branch of the University of Washington.<br />
<a href="http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/05/25/2612035/group-hopes-to-bring-law-school.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/05/25/2612035/group-hopes-to-bring-law-school.html</a></p>
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